I make Sex Toys
Hi My name is Wayne I make sex toys. for a living. Yes.
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Not only do I make sex toys, I make sex toys that give you electric shocks!!. I'm the creator of E-Stim Systems, an award winning UK company well known for being different when it comes to the world of adult play.
Join me as I explore the hidden world of making sex toys, the ups and downs of working in an very interesting industry, and the ins and outs of using our products.
I make Sex Toys
Laughter, Tech, and Electro Thrills: Live guests from Joanne's Reviews
What happens when you mix engaging E-Stim discussions with a touch of humor and a lot of enthusiasm? In this episode, we welcome Ian, Rachel, and Joanne from Joanne's Reviews, who bring their lively personalities and insightful stories to our second live stream. We start off with some light-hearted banter about technical hiccups at eStim HQ and delve into the origins of Joanne's Reviews from nearly nine years ago. Ian shares his ambitions for his upcoming YouTube channel, Toothless Nerd, promising a treasure trove of in-depth tech reviews. We also stroll down memory lane, reminiscing about industry highlights like the Birmingham Bizarre Bazaar and our first encounters with electro stimulation products.
Managing a 3D printing business with 23 printers is no small feat, and this episode sheds light on the operational hurdles and innovative solutions behind it. From naming printers after beloved characters to tackling the logistical complexities of stock management and wholesale orders, our discussion offers a candid look at the labor-intensive nature of 3D printing. We emphasize the importance of print farm management software and the perpetual balancing act required to meet high demand while maintaining top-notch quality. This segment is a must-listen for anyone curious about the behind-the-scenes efforts that go into producing custom, high-quality 3D printed items.
Our decade-long journey in the e-stim systems business has been filled with valuable lessons, and we're eager to share them with you. We discuss everything from rigorous product testing and combating copycat products to the intricacies of incorporating rechargeable batteries. We touch on our favorite electrodes, and offer practical advice for new E-stim users about starting simple and tracking their progress.
Tune in for an episode packed with wisdom, personal stories, and a shared passion for quality and innovation in the e-stim industry.
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"I make sex toys" is a the personal podcast of Wayne Allen, the Director of E-Stim Systems. The content of these podcasts are not designed to be Explicit or Erotic but we may discuss adult topics and therefore these podcasts are not suitable for children or those of a nervous disposition. You have been warned.
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Hello everyone. It's Wayne here from eStim Systems, also known as I Make Sex Toys, and it's time for another podcast. But this is a podcast with a little bit of a difference. You might have known from our YouTube channel that we've started doing monthly live streams, and the first couple have been stunning and brilliant, and this is actually an audio version of the second, which was the first with a guest. In fact, not just one guest, we had three, we had Ian, rachel and Joanne from Joanne's Reviews, and what did we get up to? Well, we talked about virtually everything. We had a bit of a blast and it was a bit of fun. So welcome to the audio transcription of that video. If you want to watch the video in full, or even the highlights, you will find them on our YouTube channel. But whatever you do, please enjoy. Hello everybody, hopefully this is working.
Speaker 1:Yeah, welcome to the eStim Systems live stream. It's changed a little bit because we had a few technical issues, shall we say, on the last one, so we've tried to do some little bits of jiggery pokery with the audio and, hopefully, the video, and hopefully everyone can see me. So, hello everybody. Ha ha, karen cooper. Yes, we are definitely alive. Hopefully by the end of this live stream. We'll still be alive afterwards, but it's been a busy week here at east mhq. You might have seen some of the bits and pieces that we've put out on social media. But yes, we did the mad thing. We had an upgrade of one of our machines and it went completely wrong. We ended up with having engineers on site for most of last week. Good afternoon, roy. It's been interesting. And guess what? I'm on holiday next week, so literally after I finish this live stream, I've got to go home and pack and get on a cruise for a week or so, so it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1:What's happening in east in world? Well, new machine. We've already mentioned that. We've also been nominated for a euro fame award, which is quite a shock, really, and quite something. Someone's what? There's all these? Oh, sorry, it's not X, it's X-Biz Award, not Eurofame, right? Sorry, sorry, x-biz. Why are most people coming here today? Because we're going to have some guests. Does anyone have any idea who the guests are? Do we have any idea who the guests are? Shall we go and find out?
Speaker 2:Because it could be interesting. Ha-ha Hi.
Speaker 1:We're back.
Speaker 3:It's the back.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, this is the crew from Joanne's reviews, eastim Emporium and several other websites. Would you like to introduce yourselves?
Speaker 2:I'm Joanne, I'm Sabah.
Speaker 3:And I'm Ian. I'm not going to say what my normal nickname is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Stunt cock. Is that related to being Stunt Cock? Ian Stunt Cock yeah. It's not that way. I am that one, yeah you are that one.
Speaker 1:I hear you have a little secret.
Speaker 3:I have lots of little secrets. Which one?
Speaker 1:have you heard? Ah, this is the one that I recently heard about you on social media the fact that you are going to do your own YouTube channel.
Speaker 3:I am in the process of setting up my own YouTube channel. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's not going to be called Stunt Cock.
Speaker 3:No, youtube will take exception to that. It'll be called Toothless Nerd and it will be again doing Eastern reviews, that sort of thing, but more techie and more in-depth. I'm nerdy.
Speaker 1:Questions for you, because I've always been fascinated about what you do. It's interesting because you sort of popped up on our radar asking us to do a review of some of our products, and that's how we sort of got to know about you. But you existed before that. So how did you start doing what you do? Oh, it's you.
Speaker 2:Oh, gee, thanks. How many years ago was it?
Speaker 3:I'm just the eye candy in the corner. How many years?
Speaker 2:How far do I go back? Nine years, yeah, nine years.
Speaker 3:Um, I think we we saw an article in the newspaper about someone that started reviewing sex toys and we thought we've got some of them yeah, so yeah yeah, and so she went yeah, let's do it. So what was?
Speaker 1:the first sex toy that you reviewed. Can you remember?
Speaker 3:oh, no, no I know what it was.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say he's got a good.
Speaker 3:It was a fucking machine and some of the things that went on the front of it yeah which I'm not well. We can talk about on youtube, but we'll probably not show it. Yeah, it was. Basically we started reviewing the things that we owned.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because that's easy to establish yourself and if you're going to approach companies, you need to have a portfolio of work yes so we, we started off with a kit we had and we used, and then we had a bit of imposter syndrome where you start doubting yourself and you think, well, are we doing the right thing, are we good enough on that? And then we saw a tweet I believe it was from Eastim Systems and we went what the heck is?
Speaker 2:that. Yeah, I remember that bit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then we started looking and went, oh, that sounds a bit interesting, and I think you got in touch, didn't you? Yeah?
Speaker 1:I think that was probably our response to our own tweet actually was what the heck is that? It's interesting. You talk about imposter syndrome because we had the same in terms of when we started, particularly when we started doing I mean mean we started doing smaller shows. So we we started with things like the bbb lff. So birmingham bazaar, bazaar, london, alternative market, london fetish fair, and I believe you've done bbb, haven't you?
Speaker 1:yeah so we started doing those and we sort of came across electro stim actually first, and they weren't really, I mean, they were much more known in the main market so they weren't really doing the sort of fetishy markets that we were doing, but then they sort of popped up every so often. We had a couple of conversations with them, which were interesting, shall we say. Sorry, andy, but yeah they were interesting and yeah, we sort of felt are we doing the right thing? Can we compete? And there was almost an element of, well, we can't compete on the same level and even these days we were.
Speaker 1:We can't compete with, say, love, honey and that sort of level, purely and simply because they spend more money on advertising than we do on product development. I mean, to us product development is the most important thing and creating service for your customers. But the minute you go into oh well, let's make the package all pretty, it's like well, you're wasting money because nobody really cares about the packaging once they bought the product. So yeah, I mean we went through quite a few elements of imposter syndrome. I remember we went to a store once when we first tried to get into stores and we talk about having the Dragon's Den moment where it just they tore us a new asshole.
Speaker 1:Excuse my french because we hadn't a clue as to what to offer a store in terms of pricing, and we we learned quite quickly from that then sort of moved into an area of. We wanted to be different, and I think that's where you succeed. And certainly when we first came across you and you approached us for can we, can we have some kit to do reviews that was the point, that that was the thing that appealed to me. You were different.
Speaker 1:We have so many people these days who approach us and say, oh, can I have some kit? It's almost weekly, if not daily. Somebody asks and you, you're sort of there and go well, 95 of the people out there who've reviewed our kit are genuine customers because they've bought the kit and they've done what you've done. They've bought kit and then gone. I'm going to write about this. I'm going to put it on my website. Yeah, there's a few out there who we would provide kit because they've asked for it, and we tend to look at what they've done in the past and go well, do we like what you've written?
Speaker 3:And it isn't, do you like?
Speaker 1:what we've written. Oh, it has to be 100 positive, it's no. Do I actually just like what you've written in terms of? Does it read english? Is it fun? Is it interesting? Is it giving me stuff that I wouldn't get from just reading the advertising blurb from the company? And that's exactly what you were offering at the time, and you still do. I mean, I still look at what you provide in in terms of, and you still do.
Speaker 1:I mean, I still look at what you provide in in terms of your youtube channel and, go right, I'm stealing that idea not in terms but not in terms of product in terms of style, in terms of the way you interact with customers, because we all know customers are the most important thing out there. None of us would be here if it wasn't for customers are you genuinely saying that it was down to us that you actually got into eastin?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah yeah, like a lot of people, we'd never heard of it before and you know you've got to get over your first nerves. You know you talk from a very early age electricity is dangerous. And then suddenly you find out well, actually you do it in certain ways. With the right kit it can be done safely, and which is why he was the first one that I made try the box I made him try it first.
Speaker 2:So when, then, when I was happy that it was okay, I tried it. When he made me try it although I did have to wrestle the box off of him because he wanted to play with all the buttons, he did and I was like no, there's nothing you can never have too many buttons, I'm sorry, just never no, but when somebody else is controlling the box, you never know what setting is going to put on it.
Speaker 1:So now you know how I feel now, oh yeah yeah, I control settings and levels has always been an interesting one. I mean, we've had a few, shall we say, accidents, which is where some of our instructions come from, where it's like always turn the box down before you start, how do?
Speaker 3:we know that, yeah, because ouch, yeah.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, you tend to do it more than once, though, because you're just like oh yeah, I know, I know oh now I remember why I said I'm never going to do that again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah definitely so. You went from reviewing boxes and I'm assuming that once you reviewed us you sort of approached other companies and expanded into because you do cover all e-stim companies that seem to be around. Equal Electron employer. Equal Electron employer. Equal Electron employer. So how did you then go into actually becoming a manufacturer?
Speaker 2:Well, we got into 3D printing for other things we were doing at the time, vanilla stuff, so to speak.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we certainly kicked that in a touch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, was it? Somebody asked us for something? Yeah, someone asked us to print something out, so we printed it out and then sent them it and then and we got interested, we got into designing kit and someone said can you do this for us?
Speaker 3:so we did that for them. And then more and more people started approaching us can you make us one of these, can you make us one of those?
Speaker 2:and we thought well, that sounds so yeah and then we started talking and going well, actually, you know, this is an issue and we can solve that. So we designed stuff and like oh yeah, actually, yeah, we'll sell this.
Speaker 3:And the rest is history. And the rest is history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you wanted more torture instruments, didn't you?
Speaker 3:for me? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:That's how it started, so how extensive is your?
Speaker 1:how many 3D printers do you have now?
Speaker 3:yes, we name them we don't name them, she names them. I've named two yeah, you have named two.
Speaker 2:I've managed to name two.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if it was up to me, I'd give them numbers, but no give us the names.
Speaker 2:Oh, now you're saying the first one was Mel. Mel and then Bob, the resin printer's. Bob, yeah, kevin, they're all Minions.
Speaker 1:I was wondering how I can sort of guess.
Speaker 2:And then we've got Melanie Tigger Eeyore.
Speaker 3:Then we went into Disney, yeah.
Speaker 2:Piglet, two Piglets yeah. We've got Deranged Piglet. Yeah, we've got Deranged Piglet and Regular.
Speaker 3:Piglet, We've got Rex Safa.
Speaker 2:Toy Story Woody, Jessie, Buzz Buzz.
Speaker 3:Grumpy Grandad.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't talk about him, he's grumpy, in other words, he just breaks down every five minutes.
Speaker 2:Zomper Bambi, bambi and the other one, trixie there you go, and then we've got Draco and Bender yeah, so how many?
Speaker 1:is that in total 23. 23?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's not including the resin printers.
Speaker 3:That's not including the two resin printers and I take it you're not just running this off one extension lead. Yeah, a short one. Yeah, and we generally grill toast over it 23,.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, okay.
Speaker 2:I'm starting to run out of names now.
Speaker 1:Well, just do what we do, because I mean, we've now got the new lathe and the old lathe was called Ant because the other one was called deck, and now I think we're just on ant two. Do you spend all your time just running down the road of it? Oh, stops, oh, I've got to run back to that one, or?
Speaker 3:that's my job the trick is to actually, when you you put the models on the plate, you organize them with different types of models so they all finish at round about the same time. Yeah so you start all your prints and then, four hours later, you're clearing all your beds and starting your next match. Yeah so they know what takes what until you get the fastballs that come in and I want this color and that color, and then you everything is out the window, and also having software that you can control all of them yeah, we're using some print farm management software now, which makes that a lot easier, a lot less running up and down.
Speaker 3:We can do a lot of things from a computer and get feedback on what print is going to finish next and all that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah, we, everything we do, we try and streamline things because we've been trying that for 20 years.
Speaker 1:It doesn't work.
Speaker 3:It doesn't know, but you keep trying. But as we've got busier and busier, we've had to because we're it.
Speaker 2:Yeah you know, there's.
Speaker 3:There's a limit to the woman power and me available to go around. I've got to say it that way around I'll get in trouble yeah, it'll get jabbed by the finger yeah, so what?
Speaker 1:what do you consider your biggest challenges are?
Speaker 3:live streams. Yeah, the weekly live streams are hard work. Yeah, I think you're nuts.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say again in public you're mad.
Speaker 3:Our biggest challenge is keeping stock on the shelves. Yeah, because we've got so many things now and printing is is a relatively slow process. Manage what's printing and what's on the shelf and what's getting smooth is difficult, and when you get a wholesale order comes in, that just throws everything out the window this sounds so familiar says you know, I want 157 items.
Speaker 2:You're like oh god yeah, and then you still gotta keep our stock.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's it, so it's keeping things on the shelves, which is a problem that you might have as well yes, and then we go and produce something like I mean, initially it was the rings.
Speaker 1:The rings really really kill I wouldn't say kill, I'm not gonna say killed us. The rings turned out to be astronomically popular, much, much more than we expected. We were running overtime, we were just desperately trying to get everything up to date, to try and get the stuff out. And then we went mad and went oh, let's do some triples, which were a completely new design for us. Well, a completely new design for everyone. And, yeah, it went a bit mad. And even now, triples are in stock for about three minutes before they go back out the door and we're still making more and more and more.
Speaker 1:It's, yeah, it's a lovely position to be in, but it sometimes you're just like I need to have a break. What have I done? What have I done? And, yeah, when, when I turn around to the engineering team and go, oh, by the way, I've got a new design, they're like you. What? Yeah, I'll give you six weeks to make these. No, the problem I think these days also is people. Everyone assumes that you're amazon and everyone assumes that you're just shipping everything in from China. So when you explain to people that, no, we actually have to make these and sometimes we run out of stock because I think we've got 110 SKUs, so 110 different items, and we're manufacturing large numbers of those, and most of it we're manufacturing in house.
Speaker 1:So for instance, a triple, I think there's probably one, two, three. There's about eight different bits, which probably 15 processes going through several different machines and several different stages. It's not just something you can click a button and it appears. And even with 3d printing, you've still got additional. You've got post-processing afterwards. It's a ballet. It's a ballet. And yeah, by the time you're doing those today, but somebody else wants those and yeah, we. We have wholesalers and we have distributors as well, which, if you thought the wholesalers were fun, the distributors are even more fun.
Speaker 1:They're buying numbers that you just like oh, how am I gonna get that out the door? But we, we work our way through it and we talk to customers and we talk to our distributors and wholesalers and it's getting better because we're we're constantly refining everything. We're constantly buying new process. Well, buy new machines just to knock off those few seconds of of manufacturing time, because it then means we can make more of them in a given amount of time. And it's yeah, it's never ending. Starga.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's how we've ended up with 23. It's painting the 67 bridge.
Speaker 1:That's lifetime warranty for the 2b account. If you buy it from a different store, as long as you are the original purchaser dutch guy lifetime warranty counts. So as long as you've got proof of purchase, yep, you have a lifetime warranty on that. I have had several pairs on my 2b over the last four years. It would be nice to know what you've replaced or repaired with the letter that you sent back with the 2B. That's an interesting one, because it depends on what the repairs are, and the problem we sometimes have is one it might be completely meaningless. So if I say that I've replaced TR6, what does TR6 mean to you as a customer? Yeah, it happens to be one of the drive transistors.
Speaker 1:Sometimes we were replacing things because they're broken. Sometimes we're replacing things because they might be broken or they might be on their way out. Biggest problems of any electronics and this isn't just two b's, it's probably connectors that's probably the number one source of issues. So if we have a unit that's come back that needs a repair, then we tend to replace certain things. So you might find that your box has had sockets replaced, because that's the default thing that we tend to replace. It does depend on what the problem is. Then we get into the the whole issue with. Actually we didn't find any problem, which sadly is something that is quite common, because it might not necessarily be the box, it might be the cables. Cables only last three to six months because there's something that moves, it gets squished. That can cause issues with outputs. Also with the 2b, the. The current 2b, which we would define as being a 14d, has a number of things that have changed internally one to make it easier for us to manufacture, because it's that element of constantly trying to improve things but also trying to make it more robust. And now, if you've got older boxes, we actually have some little extra bits that we'll put into the box. If an older box has failed, we'll upgrade it effectively to the latest spec.
Speaker 1:We always test every single unit. Firstly, we test every single unit multiple times when it goes out. So we're testing at board level, we're testing, and during the assembly process we then do a final test. Every single unit that leaves e-stim systems is tested. Unfortunately, they then go through this process of extra testing called the post office or shipping, and they get thrown around. We see some of the packages that come out of this process and things do break, unfortunately, and if they break when they get to you, we will do our best to solve that. Sometimes they'll break during use because, let's face it, electronics. I've got three cameras in here. One of them has failed. It's the nature of electronics.
Speaker 1:We will always go through the same test process so we'll get a report back from the customer. This is the customer has said this is what's wrong with it, and I'll we'll discuss with the customer to see if it is something that we need to repair or whether it's something that needs to come back to us. We test everything and we'll test it as part of the process to build it. We'll test it when it comes into us as a repair. We'll test it past the repair and then we do a final test because hopefully then we get to send it back out to you and you are happy that you've received a repaired item and this is one of the things we offer a lifetime guarantee and that genuinely means that for the existence of this business, we will repair those items for you.
Speaker 1:It would be pointless if we're just going to send it back and go no, we didn't bother and unfortunately some people think that's what we do, but it's like no, we actually will sit down with oscilloscopes, with power supplies, and try and work out what the problem is. We had one gentleman who managed to drive over a box and I still haven't worked out how he actually did it. Gentleman who managed to drive over a box, and I still haven't worked how he actually did it, but he was honest and said no, I actually drove over the box, which was really really entertaining. But yeah, danny, post does not have respect for mail.
Speaker 3:No, we've no no, we can agree with that.
Speaker 1:We have that so many times. Anyway, I'm going back to my little q. A questions for joanne and Cody.
Speaker 2:No, yes.
Speaker 1:This is not supposed to be all about me. This was sort of trying to bring in some interest. That isn't just me sitting here going buy my product. Yes, buy my new product.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So okay, things that we wouldn't necessarily know about you. So what secrets do you have that people Tell me something we don't know Did you? So what secrets do you have that people most think tell me something we don't know did?
Speaker 2:you know this was coming how would I know this was coming?
Speaker 3:no, my, my background was forces. Before I came to this, I served 23 and a half years from leaving school, joined up, went all around the world, did all sorts of different things in different countries and different actions.
Speaker 2:Dragged me to a few of them.
Speaker 3:Dragged you around the world as well with some of them, and then retired, and then it started getting kinky.
Speaker 2:Very kinky. It was fun. Well, it was boring to begin with.
Speaker 3:It was very boring to begin with, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm concerned. It only became kinky afterwards.
Speaker 3:Well, no the kink came to the surface. The kink was already there, as you know, but yeah, and then we got into doing reviewing and this side of things, which is chalk and cheese to what I'd done for the previous 23 and a half years, but it's a lot more fun, it's a lot more interesting. Yeah, definitely. What about you? On the end there, quiet one.
Speaker 2:What me?
Speaker 3:Yeah Well.
Speaker 2:I actually went to college and was qualified as a hairdresser and a beauty therapist, so it's like completely opposite.
Speaker 3:I'm sorted. I was just thinking that.
Speaker 2:I need a haircut as well, I was with you. So when I met Stunt Cocker, yeah, and we've only just untied her Literally- you mean to say you leave her tied up?
Speaker 3:She enjoys it. I do.
Speaker 2:She loves it.
Speaker 1:So how long have you been going as a business?
Speaker 3:now Nine years, nine years, no, because you've been with us eight yeah.
Speaker 1:So it must be at least nine, maybe 10 years.
Speaker 3:So what would you have done differently? Invested in Bitcoin.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:At the beginning I think yeah.
Speaker 1:I'd probably agree with that one actually.
Speaker 3:The last ten years we've evolved in what we do and how we do things and we've had a blast along the way. It's been a lot of fun. A lot of fun a lot of pulling your hair out a lot of hard work, a lot of hard work, but generally it's been more highs than lows, so we've really really enjoyed it and, yeah, I think if we could do anything different, it was getting to easter earlier and maybe keeping our mouths shut when we're not quite ready to release a product yeah yeah, yeah, is that like a certain company?
Speaker 3:Three years and counting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one thing that I think we decided quite early on actually is we don't say anything about new stuff coming on. Well, I'm going to be honest, we do to people that we trust, but we generally don't, because that's part of our sort of testing process as well, because we want feedback from people who are not necessarily within the company or within the world of e-stim systems. Say, for instance, we provided you with something and you turn around and go it's really rubbish.
Speaker 3:I didn't think you were going to mention that one yeah, let's not talk about the failures.
Speaker 1:In fact, most of the failures that we've had as products have never actually reached the market. Fundamentally, if we don't like them ourselves, then we're not going to try and produce them. But equally, we've sort of provided kit to our test team, because we have like a hierarchy. So we have ourselves, then we have test team and then we have sort of people that we know as friends and when they go, yeah, yeah, really don't like that one, it's like right, where's get me pen out, me pad, and it starts scribbling again. Come up with new ideas. I mean, we, we look at what everyone's doing and go, oh, I could do that, but I could do it better.
Speaker 1:Because that's the key here, that there's that element of yeah, there are people out there who will just copy stuff and we've had at least two or three electrodes blatantly copied and we we spoke to an individual in um the us who is selling one of that style of electro, shall we say, and basically said it's a blatant copy of our product, and they then came out with a whole new spiel of how they developed it and it's like, well, that doesn't match the person who actually developed the product, what they were saying on discord yeah whatever, fine, yeah, we'll remember this.
Speaker 1:But uh, yeah, no, I mean, we're looking at we're constantly looking at what we do and what other people do and sort of go actually, yeah, that's a great idea, can we buy it and can we sell it?
Speaker 3:going on on that topic. The last two things that you have come out with have been absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the electro rings and the the triples both the electro rings and the triples have been around in design for several years, because one of the things we can't do is just con I think you're finding it is you can't constantly just bring out new stuff all the time, because people like when you just bought the last thing and you've brought something new and you have to do that element of actually you've got to build the things as well. So, yeah, I think we've been lucky touch wood, but it's also the fact that we're talking to people all the time. So the rings, for instance, we've gone through, I think, about at least three different ring designs which could have appeared in the past, but we didn't like them.
Speaker 1:They just they didn't work for us. So when you get to the stage where actually you're finding something that actually I'm beginning to like this, it's almost that case of if you're proud of the product and you feel genuinely that this is a good idea and I think that works for most businesses if you genuinely feel comfortable with what you've done and go, yeah, that's the new product, then yeah, you've probably got a good product there. If you've genuinely sort of worked your way through that process, if you're just sitting there going, oh well, I can make a thousand of those and how much money are you going to make off it? That's probably not going to end up being a product that actually really works unless you're really, really lucky. We have seen businesses do that and they continue to do that.
Speaker 1:Personally, I only like to use the 2bl mains power rather than battery. Have you considered a rechargeable box? We have considered rechargeable batteries for quite a while. Several issues of rechargeable firstly, shipping anything through the post that's using rechargeable these days, lithium polymer, lithium ion batteries is a nightmare because a lot of the couriers just don't like them. It's an issue because suddenly they turn around and go oh, by the way, the postage is going to cost you an arm and a leg more. You could ship them and not tell them, and then they ban you, which is not a great idea Then you get caught.
Speaker 1:I'm also concerned with the longevity issues with them because, again, we're producing boxes that we offer a lifetime guarantee, but I can't guarantee that battery is going to last anywhere close to what I would like it to last, unless we're going to spend stupid amounts of money on the batteries. And the biggest issue is this recharging element. We play oh it's brilliant, getting there, closer, closer, oh, it's gone flat. Quick, quick, get the PP3, stick it in right, we can carry on. Otherwise you're going to be in that situation where, oh yeah, great, and now I've got to wait two hours, three hours maybe for it to recharge it just doesn't work for us at the moment.
Speaker 1:It is something we're looking at and there's some interesting new technologies floating around, there's some new ideas, but at the moment it's not something we do.
Speaker 1:Do we have? We have some registered designs, but the problem with any product the menu firstly, if you go into patents, then that gets very, very expensive. You, if you're going to register designs, that's only going to protect you in certain areas. So, realistically, if you're going to try and protect a product, you're going to end up spending more money protecting it than you would ever do selling it. So you tend to come up, try and come up with ideas that are sufficiently good that people want to buy it from you because you actually designed it and you invented it, as opposed to going buying a cheap copy. We all know that companies will sell cheap copies but, yeah, fundamentally they're just, they're copies and it's. If you want to support companies and you want the products that you're buying to continue, then you need to be supporting the companies that are actually producing them, not the companies that are copying them, and the 2B is not an ET312 and has never been a 312.
Speaker 3:But it has two in the name.
Speaker 2:That's as close as it gets the number of people I have conversations with.
Speaker 1:In fact, I'm going to do a video about why the 2B is not a 312. It's like he doesn't do the same as a 312. No, he doesn't, because it was never designed as a 312. Yeah, we didn't copy the 312. We never wanted to copy the 312. We didn't copy the 312. Advice for new businesses. So if someone's coming into the fetish area and they've got this wild business idea, what would your?
Speaker 3:advice be Research, research, research, research.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Get as much information. Learn the market. Try and find people that have attempted something similar. Did they succeed? Did they fail?
Speaker 2:Get to know your customer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the big thing Speak to not necessarily your close family, because they might paint succeed. Did they fail? Get to know your customer, yeah, yeah, that's the big thing.
Speaker 3:Speak to not necessarily your close family, because they might paint a rosy picture on things yeah but speak to some people that are not exactly in your close family circle and get some information from the feedback. Yeah, because a lot of time people speak to friends and family and oh, it's great, and then you only end up selling them to friends and family because they feel sorry. Yeah, yeah, but it is hard.
Speaker 1:But research is a thing I must admit us trying to sell our products to friends and family could certainly be an interesting, especially with some of my definitely interesting conversation. Okay, I'm gonna. This is a double-ended question as well, so the first question is what's, what's your favorite power box?
Speaker 2:the 2b, I'm supposed to say that is mine, yes it is I love the 2b the pebble is mine yeah and I like the remote.
Speaker 3:The remote is fun okay, she generally be.
Speaker 2:She's on the receiving end yeah, I like the pebble as well okay.
Speaker 1:So the double-ended question now is what's your favorite box? If you weren't allowed to choose an e-stim systems box, if I wasn't, allowed to choose out of every other box on the market that you know about. Right, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3:just trying to think well, for me it would probably be the axis, simply because of the features in it, although the flicks the Flix are fun. They're all right, but they're a little bit basic.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You like the Micro 312, don't you, I do. Yeah yeah. The Micro 312 is a nice compact box. We've got one of those, but for me it's still a 2B. Can't tell me otherwise.
Speaker 2:Is that checking the post? That's still an East End system 2b. Can't tell me otherwise. Is that checking the post? Yeah, checking the post to them. Yeah, I mean, we do have other boxes, it's just we, we prefer yours, I think we've got, I think, 13 boxes now.
Speaker 3:We've reviewed for electrostim. We've got the 312. We've got the coyote 3 sat in the box behind us we haven't we've got the coyote 2. Yeah, it's all right. I wouldn't recommend it for beginners. It's a little bit complicated, but we tend to play with your kit, um, because we just like it. It does what it what we want it to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just so easy to use yeah, and it's got knobs and he loves the fact that you don't have rechargeable batteries. I had to use me special buttons there being close and having to recharge your battery that check is in the post, isn't it?
Speaker 1:rechargeable is on the cards. It is something we're looking at. I think it's a case of we need to find, because we don't just do, oh, let's take a 2b and stick a rechargeable battery in it. It would be a case of let's create something that is different. Let's create something that works. So, if you want that rechargeable aspect, what else can we bring into that that is going to give you more? I mean, you've got things like the coyote, which have taken certain ideas and run with them, and then you look at it and go why did you do it that way, though? I mean, this whole concept of using a mobile phone for control is a great idea until you actually go and play with it and you realize that I've just put my thousand pound mobile phone into a puddle of goo and I can't get it to do anything now, and she's screaming saying turn it down, turn it down, and it's like I'm trying but the touchscreen is not working anymore.
Speaker 2:You're dropping it because your hands are all lubed up.
Speaker 1:When does the beta become standard? Good question, it's on my list, actually, that's all.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say at the moment we are planning 2.128, which is basically 2.127, with one minor change. Basically, we're flipping a couple of the maps over, which is probably going to be sometime I'm going to say possibly in october. But I'm not going to commit to that, purely simply because I hate committing to time scales. There's so many other things going on at the moment. 2.127 at the moment is the best beta we have. It's unbelievably stable, actually it's, I think, on virtually all of the boxes that I'm playing with is using the current beta. I love it.
Speaker 1:I wish I'd created the 2B with it, that beta, in the first place, but like everything, things sort of evolve through that process. Also with the 2b is there's at least two or three new ideas that I've come up with since that beta that I want to put into later betas, but I haven't sort of got round to it because it's like I need to get something finished and at the moment we've been playing around with rings, triples and possibly something else coming up soon which I'm not going to say anything about. But we do have a show september we are in europe going to euro fame, which is another big trade show, and we do have a habit when we go to trade shows of possibly coming up with new ideas. What's your favorite electrodes? Oh no, I'm going to change that. What's your favorite electrodes out of your own products?
Speaker 3:well, I'm going to start out of my or our own products. The new saddle is rather nice and the jet set willy yeah, we can't really say the same for that, can we?
Speaker 2:no, not really we don't have the right anatomy for that yeah wrong equipment, I would say, oh, it's our shield.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was gonna say it's the pussy shield and the mini shield or Olaf.
Speaker 2:Or Olaf.
Speaker 3:In a special colour scheme.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because he does look like a certain snowman. Is that okay? I?
Speaker 2:actually have one that looks like Olaf.
Speaker 3:Yeah we printed a special one off just so A plate with a little red nose yeah.
Speaker 2:Orange.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to work out what an electrode called Olaf looks like.
Speaker 2:I'm quite concerned about that aspect.
Speaker 3:But you will. You'll see it, you go oh yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1:So do you have anything on the cards planned for?
Speaker 3:we, we've got lots of things in the pipeline, um yeah that's the problem.
Speaker 3:We've got too many things in the pipeline that is the problem it's narrowing it down to what we're going to do next when you're a little company and you've only got a little bit of spare time and a little bit of spare funds, it's trying to nudge things in the right direction can be quite difficult. So we have two or three designs in the pipeline, nothing that's ready to really show off yet, but we've always got things on the back burner simmering away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sounds like us.
Speaker 3:It's hard to bring things to market. It takes so long. I mean for us 3d printing kit it's. It's quite a quick turnaround time in each iteration of a design, so we'll print it and we'll go. Yeah, that needs tweaking, yeah a few hours later you've got the next one. But now we're starting to do stainless steel kit that we're having made externally. Yeah, the timeline, just yeah, grows exponentially as well as the cost and the cost goes up, yeah we do.
Speaker 1:We sometimes do 3d printing to get an idea of sizing, but actually for us, because we've got the cnc machines in the workshop, it's most of the time it's actually quicker to run it through the cnc machine, apart from sometimes the setups take a bit longer.
Speaker 1:The latest item that I've been playing around with, I think, took me something like 24 hours to print, when it doesn't take 24 hours to put through cnc machines, because it's just it's quicker but the setup time's higher, so I can't just put a sd card in and press the button. I've actually got to make sure we've got the right tooling, the right setups, configure all the tooling, then run it as a test, run it as a. We do what we effectively. We run it simulation, then we'll run it on the machine in simulation, then we'll run it in the air, so we'll run it away from anything that's going to get cut and then just go through that process. So rather than sort of 24 hours, it probably takes three or four, and you've then got somebody that is like, yeah, no, this is wrong takes three or four, and you've then got somebody that's like, yeah, no, it's wrong.
Speaker 2:I need to change that and let's go back to the model and change the things again.
Speaker 3:Roy, thanks, now got a mental image of stunt cock singing, let it snow and stimming. Yeah, I tend to change the words to let it blow. Well, that's it. Yeah, you do not want to hear me singing no, you don't it certainly puts new ideas into um.
Speaker 1:Stereo stimming definitely. What else do I have on my little list? Because the time is, time is ticking and we've we've still got seven people out there who are mad enough to actually watch us talking about life, the universe and everything. So what? What would your advice be to new Easton users? Buy everything from us.
Speaker 2:Do your research, do your homework, yeah, and take it slow, take it steady.
Speaker 3:Don't complicate things, yeah.
Speaker 2:And make sure you've got plenty of lube and check your equipment. Yes, and ask lots of questions if you need to.
Speaker 3:You see a lot of posts on Reddit and Discord people that are new. He said Reddit. You see a lot of posts on Reddit and Discord people that are new. He said Reddit. Three days and four channel boxes and all the rest of it.
Speaker 3:Start with one channel and start with some very simple electrodes and experiment with those and learn how to interpret your body's reaction to it, because we all interpret it differently and there can be an education phase where you've got to train your brain to understand these new sensations and if you're using two channels or four electrodes, you're making it really difficult for yourself. Yeah, I, I completely agree I mean keep a diary as well.
Speaker 3:Keep, just write some little notes. Yeah, I'm using two pads in this location on this program. Tick or cross, and then you're doing it three weeks later. You're not going to repeat the same mistakes and you can use that to zone in on what works for you. And once you've found that that happy spot, then start to. You know, use multiple electrodes and two channels, four boxes and all the rest of it. But start simple.
Speaker 1:Yeah, keep it simple that and don't be put off if someone says, well, it works for me doing this, yeah, if it doesn't work, that is so true, having done this for for well, having sold the kit and designed the kit for the last 20 years and played with it for probably 30, plus the number of people who seem to get disheartened because they don't get exactly the same or they don't appear to get the same stimulation that somebody else does, and that's before they start to look at various youtube videos or not youtube videos, only fans, etc. Where they they see someone who's almost got I've got an electrode this big and they're having 15 orgasms, one after another and it's like one yeah that probably isn't actually occurring, but people need to experiment and need to realize that this is a completely new sensation.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is not a vibrator. It's going to be different depending on who you are, how you're using the electrodes, where you're using electrodes. How much have you had to drink today?
Speaker 1:and that's not alcohol drink, that's just hydration what mood you're in life is different all the time and e-stim is exactly the same, and that's why it's so wonderful, because you never know what you're going to get you. Hopefully you know what you're going to get. You want to get that, that climax at the end. For me personally, a lot of it is the journey, it's not the. The end bit is the end.
Speaker 1:It's like that's it yeah, I was gonna say exactly the same focus on the journey, not the destination yeah, and realize that what you find works for you is going to be different to somebody else, and that is so critical. That's the key, that's the key yeah, it is. I mean, I'm reading some of the comments that people have made and they're brilliant comments. It's don't buy everything, you see. This is david roberts. Don't buy everything, you see. Just start with a few electrodes, danny. Every time is different and I completely agree it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd love to say to someone Buzz, buzz.
Speaker 1:I need to have buzz buzz in my little box of tricks here.
Speaker 2:You've got to be in that buzz, buzz. We've got whoop, whoop yeah.
Speaker 3:Registered Registered yeah, I've got my pen writing how I do it.
Speaker 1:We're all going to have competitions as to who's got the best buzz, buzz, yeah. But yeah, I would love people come to us and say, well, what should I buy, what should I start with? And I'd love to say, well, you could buy all of these, yeah, yeah, and buy a 2b. And the answer is no. Firstly, have you ever actually tried to play with eastin before? And if they've never tried eastin, the answer is either look at something like a helix or if you're sort of humming and hiring, then go and buy yourself a cheap tens unit from boots or tesco's or somewhere like 30 quid.
Speaker 1:It's not going to be as good as a helix or a pebble or an axis or whatever, but it's going to give you some idea as to whether you like that initial sensation, because we have had people and we all know people. The minute you say it's electrical, it's electricity, they're like oh that's it.
Speaker 3:I can't touch that.
Speaker 1:I'm not going near it and they've. You can try educating them as to. Actually it's not as painful, it's a sensation. But some people just like, no, don't like it, and I respect that and I'm quite happy to have people say that to me. I'd much rather someone say no, just don't like it, because I want people to be happy. I'm in the business of making people happy, or at least trying to, because if I've got happy customers, my life is so much easier, so much, much more fun chatting to people about what we've done well than listening to people telling us how rubbish we are and how much we've cocked up. I'm really sorry, okay, but unfortunately I don't control how the ups driver put the box through your window or something like that.
Speaker 1:Kren, buy cheap, buy twice. Learn the difference between overpriced and well engineered and supported and made in third world sweatshirt to minimum specs. Yep, I completely agree with. Most of the industry does seem to manufacture in the far east, which is understandable to a certain extent because it's cheap, but you lose control over it. That's something that applies to all the fetishists and marketplace, even carpet rollers wrapped in black tape. Yeah, yep, seen that, I think for us. I think it was canes, when people they would buy canes from the local garden shop and stick them on their stand at Lamb or BBB or somewhere.
Speaker 1:They'd be like £30 for a cane, it's like you haven't even steamed the end over, so it's not even a crook handle it's just a cane and you pick it up and go. It's still got the B&Q price on it.
Speaker 3:You run a beans. Q price on it? You're running beans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like there's no quality there, and then you come across some companies that the wood has been aged over the last 25 years. It's like this thing is genuinely good and that's where we got into the whole industry.
Speaker 1:I mean, we were bdsm players, for want of a better word. Before we did eastim. We had a private life, which then, semi, became public, because it was what we did, because we used to turn up to events and parties and things like that, because that's how we played and it was fun. In fact, that was the biggest problem actually. We started eSIM systems and you'd find yourself over a spanking bench, enjoying yourself, zoning out in subspace, and then somebody would be like, can I place an order? And it's like no go away.
Speaker 1:And that happened a few times and, yeah, my wife got run. Oh, she was my girlfriend at the time, she's my kaz, is my wife now, my lovely darling wife who's hiding over there. And yeah, it was quite irritating, was like, but can I just finish the, the spanking session or whatever was going on and deal with your order tomorrow, please.
Speaker 1:But yeah, people forget that that's how a lot of us started and this is effectively our life. This allows us to do what we do now. So it's wonderful the fact that we've got so many companies like yourselves and I'd say, like us as well but yeah, I've been doing it for a while but to have new companies coming along who seem to have the same ethos of trying to create things that are good at a reasonable price and then back it up with with decent service and advice I think that's where the future lies.
Speaker 1:We're all seeing the amazons of this world and everything's going ai and you can now create ai porn and all that, but at the end of the day, you're still not going to be beat someone who's actually created something that is designed to do what it does well and give you that extra element of the service and the advice well let's just say it works for us, and I think it certainly works for you.
Speaker 1:It's working for us, yeah, but I would like to say how much one I've enjoyed this today, because this has been fantastic and I've actually got an hour live stream without actually having to do any work apart from just talk. It's brilliant. I actually look at what you're doing and think it's fantastic. Yeah, I am going to steal all your your good ideas. I'm not going to steal your product ideas. Product ideas always give us other ideas, so it's that sort of constant. Oh, that's a good idea. But yeah, I love what you guys do, so please keep doing it.
Speaker 1:Do more of it I mean, where do you see yourself in five years time? This is an interview question. I used to ask people who were joining the company well, hopefully in a much bigger workspace bigger workspace.
Speaker 3:To the moment, we're in two areas, we've got two separate buildings and that creates logistical problems so consolidating that into one, being more efficient and being able to have a little bit of more time off, because we we're basically, we run flat out all the time. But that's, that's one of the things. When you're a small company, a little family business, you've got to grow slowly and then hopefully things will work out and blossom out in the future and, but, more importantly, in five years we hope to still be here yeah yeah I think that and more of your products yeah, I'm not going to complain about that one and no doubt we'll have a lot more printers oh
Speaker 1:yeah yeah because it's not one of those things that sort of you buy just you can buy bigger ones and they work faster. You just sort of you still physically got to print one item at a time.
Speaker 3:You need to scale the number of machines really. I mean, there are faster machines on the market, but faster machines need more maintenance. They tend to wear out quicker.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's a trade-off with you. Know you look at the same with the CNC machines. You know you've got to look at all the factors before you hit the bottom. But yeah, the big thing with us is just to keep the community happy, keep coming out with good kit and keep enjoying ourselves, because life's for living.
Speaker 1:I completely agree and hopefully the community out there agrees. Let's face it without the community, we wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. The community might say life's for stimming.
Speaker 1:Life is for stimming. Yeah, life is for stimming. Yeah for stimming. Life is for stimming. Yeah, life is for stimming. Yeah, I like that as a logo.
Speaker 2:I think.
Speaker 1:I think new t-shirts coming life is we need to do t-shirts.
Speaker 3:I have sex with electrons yeah again, we've got badges. We need to do something like that.
Speaker 2:You two will love that I have sex with electrons we'll definitely be put in the naughty corner for that one.
Speaker 1:It has been fantastic. I've loved doing this live stream, so I'd like to thank you all for putting up with me and doing this after you. You managed to do one yesterday as well.
Speaker 3:So from our perspective, it's been an honor to be the first guest.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:In fact, be the first guest on any podcast ever.
Speaker 1:We've never done this before, so for us it's been a big learning process and an honor.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, it is 2032 stunt carcass, now an army of robot arms controlling. Yeah, thank, thank you for all our regulars for turning up for this as well, you are you're anything but entertaining and we didn't need any any popcorn on this one.
Speaker 1:Mike p374 says how often do you do a live stream? Well, we, as in e-sim systems, we do a live stream now on the last sunday of the month.
Speaker 2:However, joan, her team, do a live stream every week on a saturday at saturday five bst yeah roughly five if you're there for five o'clock and you've got a cup of coffee, then by the time you've Saturday at five BST. Yeah, Roughly five Roughly five, yeah, five-ish.
Speaker 1:If you're there for five o'clock and you've got a cup of coffee, then by the time you've drunk half of it, it'll be started.
Speaker 3:We have a blast doing it.
Speaker 1:It's hard work, but a lot of fun it is, and this has been a lot of fun and thank you for putting up with me and yeah, thank you for being the first guest guests and yeah, we were a little bit sneaky because, like, let's choose someone who we know they they can talk for an hour about e-stim. It's when I start asking the more interesting guests. Do you think andy from electro stimmer come on?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, that would be interesting. That would be, that could be an interesting one.
Speaker 1:If anyone else is out there who would like to talk about their experiences of e-stim. If you're just a user, you don't have to be a manufacturer then drop us a pm or an email or something. I'll talk to anyone, because I think this is the more interesting side of doing live streams, rather than just me trying to sell you something and tell you how wonderful this next incantation of the two bees beta is. I do that anyway during the normal videos on the channel, but the live streams they're live. It gets more interesting.
Speaker 1:So anyway, I'd like to thank you. I'd certainly like to thank joanne and her team for being here tonight the crew, the crew and I thank you everyone who's watched. Posted competition keeps you on your toes. Yes, david, it certainly does, and it's fun. But anyway, thank you everyone. Thanks for being here, thanks for watching, and I'll see you on the next one, which should be I think it's what's? The day last? Anyway, it's the last sunday of september, and see you there. Bye. The stream has now ended that was fun that's all folks.
Speaker 1:Hopefully you enjoyed it. If you did, please consider leaving a review. If you didn't, then please consider leaving a review and at least give us some feedback as to see what we can improve for the later. But whatever you do, please enjoy yourself and have fun. This is wayne from east sim systems stroke I make sex toys. Thanks for listening. Goodbye.
